Comments on: How the Internet (and Advertisers) Killed Journalism http://loudpoet.com/2009/01/28/how-the-internet-and-advertisers-killed-journalism/ loudpoet.com: Blogging it like it is since 2003 Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:59:45 +0000 hourly 1 By: glecharles http://loudpoet.com/2009/01/28/how-the-internet-and-advertisers-killed-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-2532 glecharles Wed, 08 Jul 2009 02:24:04 +0000 http://loudpoet.com/?p=1852#comment-2532 That's an interesting discussion; I'm surprised The Consumerist was so tone-deaf at first. The "Blog This" piece isn't nearly as obvious as what they were doing, but as noted before, your image has been removed. Thanks for the link! That's an interesting discussion; I'm surprised The Consumerist was so tone-deaf at first. The “Blog This” piece isn't nearly as obvious as what they were doing, but as noted before, your image has been removed. Thanks for the link!

]]> By: Maproom Systems http://loudpoet.com/2009/01/28/how-the-internet-and-advertisers-killed-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-2529 Maproom Systems Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:34:22 +0000 http://loudpoet.com/?p=1852#comment-2529 the "Blog This" feature of flickr does not grant any legal rights to reproduction, which must first be secured from the photographer. <br><br>flickr staff explaining the function:<br><a href="http://www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/33525/#reply171303" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/33525/#r...</a> the “Blog This” feature of flickr does not grant any legal rights to reproduction, which must first be secured from the photographer.

flickr staff explaining the function:
http://www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/33525/#r…

]]> By: glecharles http://loudpoet.com/2009/01/28/how-the-internet-and-advertisers-killed-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-2527 glecharles Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:51:39 +0000 http://loudpoet.com/?p=1852#comment-2527 Maproom: I only post images from Flickr that have "Blog This" activated, which yours did at the time. I also include full credit and link back to the Flickr page. Now that you've changed your permissions for the photo, I'll happily replace it. No harm, no foul. Maproom: I only post images from Flickr that have “Blog This” activated, which yours did at the time. I also include full credit and link back to the Flickr page. Now that you've changed your permissions for the photo, I'll happily replace it. No harm, no foul.

]]> By: Maproom Systems http://loudpoet.com/2009/01/28/how-the-internet-and-advertisers-killed-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-2526 Maproom Systems Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:25:15 +0000 http://loudpoet.com/?p=1852#comment-2526 Hello,<br><br>That was my photo you "borrowed" to illustrate this post with, and it is Copyright All Rights Reserved, you didn't obtain my permission to use it, nor did you compensate me.<br><br>So you might want to add "photography" to your list of things being killed by the internet.<br><br>Thank you! Hello,

That was my photo you “borrowed” to illustrate this post with, and it is Copyright All Rights Reserved, you didn't obtain my permission to use it, nor did you compensate me.

So you might want to add “photography” to your list of things being killed by the internet.

Thank you!

]]> By: Guy LeCharles Gonzalez: loudpoet / Hitting the Reset Button on emedia http://loudpoet.com/2009/01/28/how-the-internet-and-advertisers-killed-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-2258 Guy LeCharles Gonzalez: loudpoet / Hitting the Reset Button on emedia Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:47:48 +0000 http://loudpoet.com/?p=1852#comment-2258 [...] and enthusiast magazines face similar fates, and newspapers are already at death’s door; meanwhile book publishers’ problems have less to do with ill-conceived emedia ideas than [...] [...] and enthusiast magazines face similar fates, and newspapers are already at death’s door; meanwhile book publishers’ problems have less to do with ill-conceived emedia ideas than [...]

]]> By: loudpoet http://loudpoet.com/2009/01/28/how-the-internet-and-advertisers-killed-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-2145 loudpoet Sun, 01 Feb 2009 19:53:37 +0000 http://loudpoet.com/?p=1852#comment-2145 Aaron: Thanks for coming back and elaborating on your initial comment. Point taken, and I think we're pretty much on the same page here. I think the business model for publishing is irreparably broken; the big daily newspapers are going to have explore the non-profit route, while magazines are going to have start providing more value to subscribers in order to justify higher subscription rates in print and online, because right now advertisers have the upper hand and, as I'm sure you'd agree, that's bad for journalism across the board. Aaron: Thanks for coming back and elaborating on your initial comment. Point taken, and I think we’re pretty much on the same page here. I think the business model for publishing is irreparably broken; the big daily newspapers are going to have explore the non-profit route, while magazines are going to have start providing more value to subscribers in order to justify higher subscription rates in print and online, because right now advertisers have the upper hand and, as I’m sure you’d agree, that’s bad for journalism across the board.

]]> By: Aaron Gell http://loudpoet.com/2009/01/28/how-the-internet-and-advertisers-killed-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-2143 Aaron Gell Sun, 01 Feb 2009 15:19:59 +0000 http://loudpoet.com/?p=1852#comment-2143 Guy, You're right, I'm a first time visitor to your blog. And whether you're profiting financially or emotionally or reaping some other benefit, I'll stick by my main point. It's time for all bloggers who care about the future of the media to take a serious look at how their practices are contributing to the problem. Clipping the most essential parts of a story for their own use is not cool. There are other ways to comment on an article. As a rule of thumb, why not limit quotations to bits you're willing to actually type out? Anytime you actually wind up cutting-and-pasting, you're taking too much. Remember, this debate isn't happening in a vacuum. As you well know, it's happening at a time when aggregation sites like Huff Po, which has made a business model out of stealing great chunks of news stories for its own pages, are thriving, and the institutions we depend on to actually report news are in danger of being lost altogether. Sorry about my tone but I think we all need to do a better job of making sure we're not inadvertently contributing the the problem. Thanks for your kind words about ASSME. I've been hearing from a lot of laid off journalists, so this is an issue that's become really important to me. Aaron Guy,

You’re right, I’m a first time visitor to your blog. And whether you’re profiting financially or emotionally or reaping some other benefit, I’ll stick by my main point. It’s time for all bloggers who care about the future of the media to take a serious look at how their practices are contributing to the problem. Clipping the most essential parts of a story for their own use is not cool. There are other ways to comment on an article.

As a rule of thumb, why not limit quotations to bits you’re willing to actually type out? Anytime you actually wind up cutting-and-pasting, you’re taking too much.

Remember, this debate isn’t happening in a vacuum. As you well know, it’s happening at a time when aggregation sites like Huff Po, which has made a business model out of stealing great chunks of news stories for its own pages, are thriving, and the institutions we depend on to actually report news are in danger of being lost altogether.

Sorry about my tone but I think we all need to do a better job of making sure we’re not inadvertently contributing the the problem.

Thanks for your kind words about ASSME. I’ve been hearing from a lot of laid off journalists, so this is an issue that’s become really important to me.

Aaron

]]> By: Peter http://loudpoet.com/2009/01/28/how-the-internet-and-advertisers-killed-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-2138 Peter Thu, 29 Jan 2009 05:32:58 +0000 http://loudpoet.com/?p=1852#comment-2138 um, if newspapers started reporting instead of repeating, they might have a chance to stay afloat. um, if newspapers started reporting instead of repeating, they might have a chance to stay afloat.

]]> By: loudpoet http://loudpoet.com/2009/01/28/how-the-internet-and-advertisers-killed-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-2137 loudpoet Thu, 29 Jan 2009 04:00:07 +0000 http://loudpoet.com/?p=1852#comment-2137 Aaron: Did you actually click through and read the full three-page article before assuming I clipped too much of it? Also, as I noted, I pay for my subscription to The Atlantic, so I feel pretty comfortable with the small portion of the article I clipped, attributed, linked to and explicitly stated be read in full. And if you really think I'm trying to profit from this blog, as opposed to just trying to be snarky, you've clearly stopped by for the first time and have no clue about me at all. PS: Kudos on both ASSME and your new job. Best of luck! Aaron: Did you actually click through and read the full three-page article before assuming I clipped too much of it? Also, as I noted, I pay for my subscription to The Atlantic, so I feel pretty comfortable with the small portion of the article I clipped, attributed, linked to and explicitly stated be read in full. And if you really think I’m trying to profit from this blog, as opposed to just trying to be snarky, you’ve clearly stopped by for the first time and have no clue about me at all.

PS: Kudos on both ASSME and your new job. Best of luck!

]]> By: Aaron Gell http://loudpoet.com/2009/01/28/how-the-internet-and-advertisers-killed-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-2136 Aaron Gell Thu, 29 Jan 2009 03:45:10 +0000 http://loudpoet.com/?p=1852#comment-2136 Hmm. Ever think that by ripping off several hundred of Warren's (and the Atlantic's) words for your own blog, which you apparently aim to profit from, you might represent the problem? Next time, try posting about an article without quoting it at such length. At least you might send an interested reader to the site of the institution that actually paid for the work. Just a thought! Hmm. Ever think that by ripping off several hundred of Warren’s (and the Atlantic’s) words for your own blog, which you apparently aim to profit from, you might represent the problem?

Next time, try posting about an article without quoting it at such length. At least you might send an interested reader to the site of the institution that actually paid for the work.

Just a thought!

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