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	<title>Comments on: Is Social Publishing simply Vanity Publishing 2.0?</title>
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		<title>By: The End of Indie &#171; christopher cocca</title>
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		<dc:creator>The End of Indie &#171; christopher cocca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] we&#8217;d all start using the term post-indie?  I came across Richard Eoin Nash&#8217;s site via Guy LeCharles Gonzalez&#8217;s today and found this post on &#8220;The End of Indie&#8221; from Sunday. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] we&#8217;d all start using the term post-indie?  I came across Richard Eoin Nash&#8217;s site via Guy LeCharles Gonzalez&#8217;s today and found this post on &#8220;The End of Indie&#8221; from Sunday. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Judith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 00:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I strongly believe in Self-Publishing... If you&#039;re good, then you should be good. Write?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I strongly believe in Self-Publishing&#8230; If you&#39;re good, then you should be good. Write?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 04:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Publishers used to try to make money out of readers, now they try to make money out of writers. That seems to be what this model is about and why it worries me. I have seen it done on different scales but the fact is, unless the so-called community develops a readership outside of itself, the writers will always be being paying the publishers for services they could otherwise access for free. It&#039;s like selling workshops in self-publishing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Publishers used to try to make money out of readers, now they try to make money out of writers. That seems to be what this model is about and why it worries me. I have seen it done on different scales but the fact is, unless the so-called community develops a readership outside of itself, the writers will always be being paying the publishers for services they could otherwise access for free. It&#39;s like selling workshops in self-publishing.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Holloway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Holloway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 22:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guy, I&#039;ve been blogging at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.agnieszkasshoes.blogspot.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.agnieszkasshoes.blogspot.com&lt;/a&gt; about the ups and downs of holding together a collective with Year Zero - feel free to plunder for ideas or to e-mail (I&#039;m happy to discuss without being mentioned/plugged in the piece). Also happy to talk about the historical stuff (I did a lot of form criticism as a student about the influence communities had on the texts that arose within them). Just shout any time</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guy, I&#39;ve been blogging at <a href="http://www.agnieszkasshoes.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.agnieszkasshoes.blogspot.com</a> about the ups and downs of holding together a collective with Year Zero &#8211; feel free to plunder for ideas or to e-mail (I&#39;m happy to discuss without being mentioned/plugged in the piece). Also happy to talk about the historical stuff (I did a lot of form criticism as a student about the influence communities had on the texts that arose within them). Just shout any time</p>
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		<title>By: Guy LeCharles Gonzalez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy LeCharles Gonzalez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 22:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That &quot;building a reputation over years&quot; platform is exactly what&#039;s missing from these new initiatives. They&#039;re relying more on the traditonal name-brand imprint model, with a niche focus; it&#039;s not terribly new or innovative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That &#8220;building a reputation over years&#8221; platform is exactly what&#39;s missing from these new initiatives. They&#39;re relying more on the traditonal name-brand imprint model, with a niche focus; it&#39;s not terribly new or innovative.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy LeCharles Gonzalez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy LeCharles Gonzalez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 22:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, that&#039;s another question I have. I&#039;m a fan of collaboration, as an exercise, but I have no interest in reading exquisite corpses cobbled together by fans! That&#039;s exactly what&#039;s made the current generation of superhero comics so bland.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That said, I am intrigued by the collective model, two of which Dan referenced above. I&#039;m looking into that both for a future post as well as personal interest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, that&#39;s another question I have. I&#39;m a fan of collaboration, as an exercise, but I have no interest in reading exquisite corpses cobbled together by fans! That&#39;s exactly what&#39;s made the current generation of superhero comics so bland.</p>
<p>That said, I am intrigued by the collective model, two of which Dan referenced above. I&#39;m looking into that both for a future post as well as personal interest.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy LeCharles Gonzalez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy LeCharles Gonzalez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 22:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The very lack of clarity you note regarding the distribution model is just one reason for my skepticism. As I noted above, this isn&#039;t specifically about Nash and Cursor, but the underlying concept so many of these new initiatives are based on. There&#039;s a lot of &quot;business-speak obscure&quot;, as you called it, being thrown around, and way too much drinking of the social media Kool-Aid.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As a publisher myself, I actually think Nash has the most interesting model I&#039;ve seen, and he gets my vote for &quot;most likely to succeed&quot;; as a writer, I&#039;m still not fully convinced about its value to most writers, nor its long-term viability.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;PS: Holy shit; I didn&#039;t realize you were THAT Henry Baum! I have a copy of Oscar Caliber Gun; picked it up from the office when we were working with Sander on Burning Down the House.  Good stuff; wasn&#039;t quite my tastes back then, but it&#039;s totally up my allety these days!  I&#039;m going to have to re-read it now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The very lack of clarity you note regarding the distribution model is just one reason for my skepticism. As I noted above, this isn&#39;t specifically about Nash and Cursor, but the underlying concept so many of these new initiatives are based on. There&#39;s a lot of &#8220;business-speak obscure&#8221;, as you called it, being thrown around, and way too much drinking of the social media Kool-Aid.</p>
<p>As a publisher myself, I actually think Nash has the most interesting model I&#39;ve seen, and he gets my vote for &#8220;most likely to succeed&#8221;; as a writer, I&#39;m still not fully convinced about its value to most writers, nor its long-term viability.</p>
<p>PS: Holy shit; I didn&#39;t realize you were THAT Henry Baum! I have a copy of Oscar Caliber Gun; picked it up from the office when we were working with Sander on Burning Down the House.  Good stuff; wasn&#39;t quite my tastes back then, but it&#39;s totally up my allety these days!  I&#39;m going to have to re-read it now.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Holloway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Holloway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 22:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Maria. First, can I be really rude and link to my post &quot;We&#039;re all Homer now&quot; here:&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.moreintelligentlife.com/content/anne-trubek/we-are-all-writers-now&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.moreintelligentlife.com/content/anne...&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think that&#039;s the point I would make. Fiction as the product of one consciousness is a very new idea (I&#039;m guessing people will place its origins with Piers Plowman although there&#039;s a case for NeoPlatonist mystics). Stories always were communal property and TOLD by many tongues (like Homer). It&#039;s only time and the fact we see them in a book not around a campfire that makes us think of them otherwise.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But I get your point - about unique voices. I&#039;m experimenting with The Man Who Painted Agnieszka&#039;s Shoes at the moment - my &quot;interactive, real time Facebook novel&quot; The voice is 100% mine, but readers tell me what questions they&#039;d like to see answered, and I answer them in my way. It&#039;s a back and forth collaborative thing, but I never lose my hand on the rudder. A bit like the Platonic model of the tripartite soul, in fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Maria. First, can I be really rude and link to my post &#8220;We&#39;re all Homer now&#8221; here:<br /><a href="http://www.moreintelligentlife.com/content/anne-trubek/we-are-all-writers-now" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.moreintelligentlife.com/content/anne" rel="nofollow">http://www.moreintelligentlife.com/content/anne</a>&#8230; </p>
<p>I think that&#39;s the point I would make. Fiction as the product of one consciousness is a very new idea (I&#39;m guessing people will place its origins with Piers Plowman although there&#39;s a case for NeoPlatonist mystics). Stories always were communal property and TOLD by many tongues (like Homer). It&#39;s only time and the fact we see them in a book not around a campfire that makes us think of them otherwise.</p>
<p>But I get your point &#8211; about unique voices. I&#39;m experimenting with The Man Who Painted Agnieszka&#39;s Shoes at the moment &#8211; my &#8220;interactive, real time Facebook novel&#8221; The voice is 100% mine, but readers tell me what questions they&#39;d like to see answered, and I answer them in my way. It&#39;s a back and forth collaborative thing, but I never lose my hand on the rudder. A bit like the Platonic model of the tripartite soul, in fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Cane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Cane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 21:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have to get lots of buyers to get very well known to do that.  Both Soft Skull and DNP built up their reputations over years.  But yes, that&#039;s one way of trying to escape the pitfall of corporate publishing.  Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have to get lots of buyers to get very well known to do that.  Both Soft Skull and DNP built up their reputations over years.  But yes, that&#39;s one way of trying to escape the pitfall of corporate publishing.  Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: mariaschneider</title>
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		<dc:creator>mariaschneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I&#039;d like more explanation on is the book itself. Are novels going to be collaborative efforts? Because I believe that fiction is an art that springs from one person&#039;s consciousness. A collectively written novel may be an interesting group writing project, but it&#039;s not something I want to buy or read. So how exactly will the communities be playing part?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I&#39;d like more explanation on is the book itself. Are novels going to be collaborative efforts? Because I believe that fiction is an art that springs from one person&#39;s consciousness. A collectively written novel may be an interesting group writing project, but it&#39;s not something I want to buy or read. So how exactly will the communities be playing part?</p>
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